Hacker Newsnew | past | comments | ask | show | jobs | submit | psittacus's commentslogin


nice.


For context - I assume this comment is referring to Kagi still paying Yandex to use their index.

I've collected some links here last time this was discussed: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46057759


Yes! Thanks!


If openrouter is to be trusted, the cheapest offers that are not from Deepseek itself are:

- twice as expensive on the output (1.52 vs 0.87)

- six times as expensive on the input (0.33 vs 0.05)

https://openrouter.ai/deepseek/deepseek-v4-pro?sort=price#pr...


He posted about him leaving Facebook on Linkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/feed/update/urn:li:activity:7302785...

He also reflected on his time and Haskell usage at Facebook here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gEWBHP0PvRw&list=PLQpeDZt0_x...


Not that it answers your question, but the move happened in 2020 to "hire more easily, act more swiftly, and pursue ideas that were previously not possible".

https://blog.thunderbird.net/2020/01/thunderbirds-new-home/


So here more than 6 years later, did they act more swiftly or pursue new ideas? The development pace seems unbearably slow.


Judging from the side it seems like there aren't a lot of developers and the current few have their favorite subsystems, those get almost all of the attention. The rest is kept as-is and does not progress. I also don't know if there's a trivial way to find how many external contributions they get from BugZilla, if they even get any?


Total mail UI/UX overhaul, total backend overhaul allowing implementation of new protocols (first new protocol was Exchange), an Android app and monthly release cadence vs yearly. And that's just to name the ones that immediately come to mind. Have plenty of users yelling at us for changing too much.

Take a look at https://blog.thunderbird.net for a play-by-play. But we're doing a helluva lot.


Pop-ups [1] in Niagara launcher do this. However, it comes with other unconventional UI decisions which might or might not be to your liking.

[1]: https://help.niagaralauncher.app/article/115-pop-ups


It took me a moment to find, but Alertly claims to do something similar while being open-source. Last commit was made two years ago though.

https://f-droid.org/packages/com.example.notificationalerter

https://github.com/lightningcpu/Alertly



Just in case you need sources: Kagi is using [1] Yandex and paying them as of June 2025. This is a long-standing position, which was also voiced [2] in November 2024.

Regarding Yandex. The founder sold [3] the assets (seemingly including the index and Yandex trademark) to VK (Mail.ru) in 2022. VK are known supporters of the war [4]. The founder subsequently renamed [5] his original company to Nebius Group and pivoted towards compute for AI.

[1]: Kagi Community AMA by the founder. Timestamped link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XbmMUGSFldQ

[2] Kagi forums, a response by the founder. https://kagifeedback.org/d/5445-reconsider-yandex-integratio...

[3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yandex#2020s

[4] https://www.theverge.com/2022/2/26/22951307/us-sanctions-rus...

[5] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nebius_Group


Take a look at Open-Xchange, it's not developed by Thunderbird folks but otherwise fits the bill.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open-Xchange

mailbox.org is based on it.


I was browsing through the issues of extrepo and found deb-get, seems pretty useful too:

> deb-get makes it easy to install and update .debs published in 3rd party apt repositories or made available via direct download on websites or GitHub release pages.

https://github.com/wimpysworld/deb-get/

In particular, the list of software is a bit longer than extrepo (e.g. includes zoom):

https://github.com/wimpysworld/deb-get/blob/main/01-main/REA...


Guidelines | FAQ | Lists | API | Security | Legal | Apply to YC | Contact

Search: